tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post1407522291816365169..comments2023-10-30T11:11:59.695+03:00Comments on ZB: **Reflections on India by Sean Paul Kelley**ZBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02447730465256670305noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-44458948488013882922011-09-25T20:13:33.950+03:002011-09-25T20:13:33.950+03:00Most of the communities in the entire Indian sub-c...Most of the communities in the entire Indian sub-continent(such as Bengali) succumbed in ‘Culture of Poverty'(Oscar Lewis), irrespective of class or economic strata, lives in pavement or apartment. Nobody is genuinely regret ed or ashamed of the deep-rooted corruption, decaying general quality of life, worst Politico-administrative system, weak mother language, continuous consumption of common social space (mental as well as physical, both). We are becoming fathers & mothers only by self-procreation, mindlessly & blindfold(supported by some lame excuses). Simply depriving their(the children) fundamental rights of a decent, caring society, fearless & dignified living. Do not ever look for any other positive alternative behaviour(values) to perform human way of parenthood, i.e. deliberately co-parenting children those are born out of ignorance, extreme poverty. It seems that all of us are being driven only by the very animal instinct. If the Bengali people ever be able to bring that genuine freedom (from vicious cycle of ‘poverty’) in their own life/attitude, involve themselves in ‘Production of (social) Space’ (Henri Lefebvre), initiate a movement by heart, an intense attachment with the society at large is very much required - one different pathway has to create, decent & rich Politics will definitely come up. – Siddhartha Bandyopadhyay, 16/4, Girish Banerjee Lane, Howrah-711101.Siddharthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848026104398148727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-54109545643447164172011-09-25T20:11:30.896+03:002011-09-25T20:11:30.896+03:00Most of the communities in the entire Indian sub-c...Most of the communities in the entire Indian sub-continent(such as Bengali) succumbed in ‘Culture of Poverty'(Oscar Lewis), irrespective of class or economic strata, lives in pavement or apartment. Nobody is genuinely regret ed or ashamed of the deep-rooted corruption, decaying general quality of life, worst Politico-administrative system, weak mother language, continuous consumption of common social space (mental as well as physical, both). We are becoming fathers & mothers only by self-procreation, mindlessly & blindfold(supported by some lame excuses). Simply depriving their(the children) fundamental rights of a decent, caring society, fearless & dignified living. Do not ever look for any other positive alternative behaviour(values) to perform human way of parenthood, i.e. deliberately co-parenting children those are born out of ignorance, extreme poverty. It seems that all of us are being driven only by the very animal instinct. If the Bengali people ever be able to bring that genuine freedom (from vicious cycle of ‘poverty’) in their own life/attitude, involve themselves in ‘Production of (social) Space’ (Henri Lefebvre), initiate a movement by heart, an intense attachment with the society at large is very much required - one different pathway has to create, decent & rich Politics will definitely come up. – Siddhartha Bandyopadhyay, 16/4, Girish Banerjee Lane, Howrah-711101.Siddharthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09848026104398148727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-79616354302177413442011-08-01T06:54:31.581+03:002011-08-01T06:54:31.581+03:00We do not have to remain dirty. Let us make an eff...We do not have to remain dirty. Let us make an effort to change. The likes of Tatas and Ambanis must take the lead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-38133116252970125012011-04-02T09:16:02.652+03:002011-04-02T09:16:02.652+03:00Overpopulation is a huge problem for India.Overpopulation is a huge problem for India.Avinash Machadohttp://avinashmachado.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-42335334931065982452010-10-21T15:31:49.275+03:002010-10-21T15:31:49.275+03:00I cannot say the author is wrong but one Simple lo...I cannot say the author is wrong but one Simple logic <br /><br />" coming out of the shackles of an autocratic British rule India as a nation has come a long way.India is a democratic land where the common man built his nation,for a westerner his nation was built from blood stained riches of war - Imperialistic nation i would say " _ India with its filth is competing with the western nations " last statement - what we have done in 60+ years it would take 60+ centuries for a western nation Westerners lack EMPATHY " india is a rich nation built by the poor men and women .. the fight is still on <br /><br />Lastly NY is not a place to live its only a place to filled with filthy money <br /><br />The 100 rupees what i have with me is what i earned ( I DON'T CARRY A GUN TO COLLEGE )Kameswaran"Hot head"https://www.blogger.com/profile/12706300447861720850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-10073803711648981302010-10-05T08:52:20.880+03:002010-10-05T08:52:20.880+03:00hi ..everthing is true .but how could you solve it...hi ..everthing is true .but how could you solve it? space and population??and ofcourse ignoracerajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095103429113436115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-84317072096696328832010-09-18T12:40:39.289+03:002010-09-18T12:40:39.289+03:00WHere you gone dont see you anymore ?WHere you gone dont see you anymore ?Bikramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17320753339263375295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-40775235940937997472010-09-10T22:16:01.895+03:002010-09-10T22:16:01.895+03:00It is we who created and live in this deep hole. n...It is we who created and live in this deep hole. no one is bothered as long as they are happy.. do you think this will bring in a change with inidans(most of them) no way, life will continueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-2086425152070368092010-08-21T07:49:25.214+03:002010-08-21T07:49:25.214+03:00An update is long overdue!!An update is long overdue!!Gayathrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00939303706866631897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-42006625314821294702010-08-15T23:45:02.503+03:002010-08-15T23:45:02.503+03:00where are you man?
write something!
and the wolf ...where are you man?<br /><br />write something!<br />and the wolf story is going again. gimme company!Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521949812576502731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-56095598341378781422010-08-09T19:30:32.387+03:002010-08-09T19:30:32.387+03:00ha ha ha ha when i started reading the article i l...ha ha ha ha when i started reading the article i literally jumped to the comments section to read the comments and as it would have it They say it all. the comments on how the person is westerner etc etc. Well I say enough as such and i am alreayd not in the good books .. <br /><br />But one question to everyone WHO SHOULD BE SAYING THESE THINGS ABOUT OUR COUNTRY.. <br /><br />we surly dont say it cause as the last line in the article "And the bottom line is, I don’t think India really cares. Too complacent and too conservative" .. we dont care .. look at the way we have got all angry and worked up cause one westerner said this.. <br /><br />But did anyone do anything.. did anyone ask the question why so much garbage in front of the TAJ.. and I read hundreds of emails and online forums about keeping TAJ as a wonder.. my question is WHY shud it be in the list. its worsening while the rest of the WONDERS in the world are being kept properly. <br /><br />Anyway I would like to say this article is THOUGHT PROVOKING... and sad state of our beautiful country.. maybe its time we shud take this as critics and do somethign rather then feel bad and angry .. Food for thought I guessBikramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17320753339263375295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-91649549146079565382010-08-01T17:37:56.008+03:002010-08-01T17:37:56.008+03:00he just wrote whatever we already know... whatever...he just wrote whatever we already know... whatever we every single day crib about... nothing new... and ya we really don't care no matter how concerned we sound.Rajlakshmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05947753574286557864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-69830651932828131972010-07-30T11:12:09.987+03:002010-07-30T11:12:09.987+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Holy Lamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03386836612848424194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-86965687552444785252010-07-30T07:14:11.752+03:002010-07-30T07:14:11.752+03:00Dude, agree with all ur views man!! good job!
@ Ga...Dude, agree with all ur views man!! good job!<br />@ Gayatri: The same can be said about Gurgaoon whicgh is the Singapore of India. Can you belive that the city has no public transport?The Unsure Ascetichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10196315126703878175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-54334287525888854312010-07-29T16:48:44.081+03:002010-07-29T16:48:44.081+03:00Awesome! To the extent that it literally makes me ...Awesome! To the extent that it literally makes me drop my head down with shame,frustration,anguish,or whatever u call it.i can certainly not deny a single line that he stated.<br />Bangalore,the so called silicon valley of india has every imaginable squalor n filth as every other backward or metro city in india.poverty,filth,arrogance,meglomania,every goddamn outcome of conservatism glints everywhere.its a pity if we struggle to defend ourselves than to change in howsoever minuscule way possibleGayathrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00939303706866631897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-18229666658869367012010-07-29T15:53:53.653+03:002010-07-29T15:53:53.653+03:00Why are we surprised or angry if an outsider react...Why are we surprised or angry if an outsider reacte the way this person has.<br />Whatever, he has said, isn't that True<br />e?<br />Govt is too busy being corrupt and the civil society has no time as they have all given up on the state.BK Chowla,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03869011550287421537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-33140094136113103962010-07-29T15:08:58.855+03:002010-07-29T15:08:58.855+03:00@Holy Lama:Dude, our Scientists, engineers, doctor...@Holy Lama:Dude, our Scientists, engineers, doctors are servicing the world bcoz we cant afford them.Its out loss and we should feel ashamed of it. <br /><br />And where did you get the Idea that Indian's are happy? India is the suicide capital of the world. It has more depressions and mental illness than any other nation on earth ( party bcoz of high population)....No other nation has more child laborers....<br /><br />JRD Tata is right....Who wants to be a super power which spends 10% of its GDP on Defense....Superpower is a term which implies to military strength...Sweden and Norway are not superpowers but they have their economy which believes in welfare.We should be a country which believe in the welfare of its citizen....<br /><br />What is the yardstick of progress....employment? inflation? infant mortality rate? Literacy?health? sanitation? pollutions?<br /><br />I think the yard stick of progress should be tangible...and not some vague notion of happiness....India should have a percapita equal to the west..thats progress.ZBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447730465256670305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-50099530067150471192010-07-29T14:58:28.348+03:002010-07-29T14:58:28.348+03:00@Sujata: We should Thank the westerners for critic...@Sujata: We should Thank the westerners for criticizing us....rather than feel upset.We dont need anyone's conformity to celebrate our positivity....we all as Indians know what our positives are. But our negatives far outnumber our positives. You have lived outside of the country and probably traveled the world.Which country is a match for India in dirt, corruption, filth, pollution? Perhaps a Bangladesh, or Nepal? or a Haiti, Burma? <br /><br />China which has more population than us is far-far ahead. look at their roads, their cities....their railways. And they have no Democracy....and all this Infrastructure was developed over 10 or 15 years....we blame British who left us 63 years ago....Well, we would continue to blame over the next 100 years....<br /><br />Close your eyes for a minute and try to envision Mumbai, kolkata or Delhi about 10 years from today. Do you see any development? Do you feel better roads, railways in India....I dont see a change....I feel we would continue living like this over the next 50-60 years....where as China, Vietnam, Brazil, Egypt, Mexico, Russia far ahead of Us.ZBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447730465256670305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-70486989888045489402010-07-29T14:45:31.869+03:002010-07-29T14:45:31.869+03:00@Nikita: Homeless in NY? How many? NY is a city of...@Nikita: Homeless in NY? How many? NY is a city of 19 million....how many Homeless?few hundreds? A city in India with similar population would have a million poor and homeless....The comparisons simply dont make any sense.<br /><br />@Raj: Yea buddy.<br /><br />@Panorama:British left India 63 years ago...And left India United...before the British there was no India, but thousands of Princely states and kingdom. They left us with a constitution, and democracy. You live in Norway which is No1 in Human development index, healthcare, and welfare.How long will you live in denial and blame the westerners about how they see India? As an India who has seen the world, i am ashamed about the state of affairs in India.We are bonded by centuries old tradition, superstitions and beliefs which we believe is our culture and heritage.<br /><br />In 21st century we talk about caste and dalit vs Brahmin....We sacrifice humans to appease gods.We honor kill young women...we have more bandhs and hartals than any place on earth....millions of tons of grains rot when half of the population struggle to live.Do you know we have an electrical grid which is decades old, which waste about 50% of power produced by us? About half of the budget allocation on education goes missing...Government hospitals have women giving birth on the floor, Each ward has upto 5 patients, which in itself is dangerous....We absolutely have no waste disposal system....we still have taxis, buses(mumbai taxis are example) which are 3 decades old and consume twice the amount of fuel.<br /><br />India is not Poor.Rather its one of the richest nations on earth. We are simply mismanaged. India should be managed by professions, something like in corporations. Our problem is we are run and managed by Goons.ZBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447730465256670305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-58302511223907073532010-07-29T14:05:10.312+03:002010-07-29T14:05:10.312+03:00Read JRD's In Memorium today. It quoted him so...Read JRD's In Memorium today. It quoted him something amounting to I don't want India to become a superpower but want it to be a happy country. <br />And that's what we are- we are happy and going on at our pace and the world can't but take notice of us as we make inroads everywhere. Indian scientists, medics and engineers are spread across the world to help, to progress countries in these streams and our gurus are bringing peace to many with Yoga, meditation and love. <br />True, we need a lot more civic sense and hygiene in public places but that is not the yardstick of progress. What this guy, Sean Paul Kelley think is just a viewpoint that needs no comments. <br /><br />The same comment is on Unsure Ascetic too.The Holy Lamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03386836612848424194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-69265659291455015622010-07-29T12:19:01.906+03:002010-07-29T12:19:01.906+03:00I was hoping for atleast one line of positivity, a...I was hoping for atleast one line of positivity, atleast towards the end. I think he saw India with biased eyes. There is bad, I know, I am not in denial, but there is a whole lot of good too..that he completely ignored!sujata senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13101153080266818022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-71963588533396759612010-07-29T11:59:22.913+03:002010-07-29T11:59:22.913+03:00I am sick and tired of westerner who see India onl...I am sick and tired of westerner who see India only through Europe- coloured glasses.The Panoramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17919885693479046926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-70150223255095036642010-07-29T11:57:39.865+03:002010-07-29T11:57:39.865+03:00This post is provoking! Typical arrogant westerner...This post is provoking! Typical arrogant westerner. Well, maybe India wouldn't be in such a mess if the British didn't use the famous divide and rule politics they are famous for!We can thank Europe for the mess India is in, leaving it poor and still trying to recover from the abuse of the Europeans. Its' barely 65 years ago India won its independence and they ruled us for 100 years, impoverishing us! <br />Poverty has no culture and when there are scarce resources, there will be power struggle. I agree that Indians don't care by and large, we are fatalistic. Yet he was unfair in his judgment.<br />Yes Europe is clean and pretty to the eye but you don't see the real filth. The filth of how they treat their poor and unfortunate.<br />Has anyone ever thought of the fact that it is the climate that makes the country so dirty? Yes we have corrupt politicians and yes, things could be a lot better but what a pity he sees only the negative things.The Panoramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17919885693479046926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-22346025656865269882010-07-29T07:04:17.232+03:002010-07-29T07:04:17.232+03:00hey everything you said was true, but most of it w...hey everything you said was true, but most of it was common to everything else. other countries other planets even :P<br /><br />but yes somewhere something did go wrong.Rajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14521949812576502731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559344407876332504.post-84560690661802920932010-07-29T05:49:15.888+03:002010-07-29T05:49:15.888+03:00Is this all that they see? I mean okay we do have ...Is this all that they see? I mean okay we do have issues with Filth but do we go to NY and take picks of the destitute/homeless on the street?Irehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02225452291299150178noreply@blogger.com